Untethered Consciousness

Sinead Whelehan: And so
I'm looking and I'm seeing

gradually this mist, which
started almost like a

sort of sparkle over this
surface the dark green

background of the hedge.

And then it became over
a few seconds, I think

the misty filled in misty
outline of this very tall

being that was about seven,
maybe eight feet tall.

Very thin torso.

Long thin arms,
long thin legs.

And I could see everything.

I could see the full
detailed outline of the

body, the head, the neck.

Rod Bland: My guest today
is Sinéad Whelehan although,

uh, who, although you may
not realize it is profoundly

deaf and has experienced
paranormal phenomena

since the age of four.

She had her first conscious
encounter with the

visitors or as some prefer
extraterrestrials in 2017,

and these contact encounters
have continued since then.

Sinéad has worked as a
research and interview

assistant for the renowned UFO
researcher, Grant Cameron for

two years, and is currently
assisting Barbara Lamb who

specializes in Q H H T and
regression therapy with people

who experience encounters.

Sinéad welcome and
thank you so much for

coming on the show.

Sinead Whelehan: Oh, thank you
so much for having me, Rod.

I've been looking
forward to it.

Rod Bland: Yeah, me too.

Sinéad normally at this
point I ask people for

some background about their
life before their first

paranormal experience,
but since yours started so

early at the age of four.

How about we start there?

Sinead Whelehan: Sure.

This is an experience I
had that I didn't think

anything of except that
I couldn't forget it.

And it kept coming back into
my memory and into my senses

as well, in a way that made
me realize that this is

something that had really
affected me on some level.

Enough that I remembered it
over and over and over again.

And it was almost like,
I don't know, there was

just something about it.

There was something about
it that I felt like, oh,

I'm supposed to keep my
attention on this event and

remember that this happened.

So then years later when I
actually very not that long

ago now in 2019, when I met
Grant Cameron and I started

talking to him about my
experiences and about, what

had very, at that point,
very recently happened.

He was the one who said
to me hang on a second.

When did you really
start having experiences?

And so I thought okay.

You know, I sort of, kind
of I backward mapping

my life and it really
all started at this point

when I was four years old.

So there were three things
that happened that year

that were a big deal.

One of them was that I
got my first hearing aid.

I was diagnosed with
hearing loss and given

my first hearing aid.

And so my sensory experience
of the world became a

lot more interactive,
more keen, more vibrant.

And I just felt like my
brain woke up on some

level that it had not been
quite awake on before.

And then also I
became very ill.

And I had scarlet fever
and was burning up

with fever, but I felt
fantastic and I felt like

I didn't feel sick at all.

I felt actually probably
the best I've ever felt.

That's also something
I've remembered over and

over again ever since
thinking, that really was

an interesting experience
because I felt very sharply

aware and very sharply keen.

About everything that was
in my environment and every

sensory experience that I
was having of my environment,

which was just my bedroom,
that it just felt that

much more, I don't know
hyper alive, the color,

the textures, the scent,
even the sound of quiet.

Cause it was in the
middle of the night.

It just was very keen and
very sharp and clear to me.

And I felt energized.

I felt like I was very
aware very conscious and

very aware of everything.

So that was an
interesting experience.

And then the third thing
that happened was I, one

night just had this really
strong feeling, almost like a

compulsion that I should try
sleeping with my feet where my

head usually was and my head,
where my feet usually were.

And my father was
putting me to bed.

So I remember him thinking,
oh, okay, this is a

little bit funny, but
all right let's do this.

So he helped me set up my
bed and I remember as I was

about to get into the bed
and sleep, so called upside

down, I remember feeling
there's something about

this doesn't feel good.

Like I feel this
sense of apprehension.

It was a little bit of
fear, a little bit of

apprehension, and yet I felt
compelled no, I have to do

this for whatever reason.

And so I insisted to myself
that I sleep like that.

I did not tell my father
how I was feeling.

So my father said goodnight
to me and he left the room.

And then I was wide awake
because I felt very alert,

like there was something
going on, and it, the

first thing I noticed
was that the atmosphere

in the room changed.

So it became electric
and I felt the pressure

in the room changed.

The atmosphere just shifted.

It was different.

And I felt like there
was a presence there.

And then what happened was
it was the funniest, oddest

experience because it, it
felt so real, and I was awake.

I had not fallen asleep.

This was not long after
my father left the room.

So there was this being
that was behind me, like

I actually felt it and my
whole body was tingling.

All the hairs on my arms
and on the back of my neck

were standing straight up.

And I was absolutely
terrified.

Cause I could feel this
being breathing, at

the back of my head.

And the presence of it
there, just like as if

there was a real person, a
real human being behind me.

It was that clear, that
feeling of presence.

And then it started laughing
at me and it started fading

out of the wall because my bed
was in the corner of the room,

so it was right up against
the wall, and I had my back

to the wall at this point.

So at first it felt like this
thing, this presence that

felt very alive and aware,
and conscious of me and

conscious that I was there
and that it was doing this

deliberately for some purpose.

And so then it started
laughing at me and I felt like

the laughter was mocking me,
and that scared me even more.

But, and so I was
rigid with fear.

I was not paralyzed.

This was not sleep paralysis.

I was rigid with
fear, but not frozen.

I was able to move.

I was just terrified and
finally got my guts together,

so to speak, and turned
over really fast to see

if something was there.

Of course, there was
nothing there, but I

just knew that what had
happened had just happened.

And so I ran downstairs that I
had freed myself up from this

being locked into this fear.

And it was a very
intense sensory and

auditory experience.

I felt the being fading
through the wall, going

outside, but still being
able to see me through

the wall as if there was
a space in the wall where

I could see through.

That's what I was
seeing in my mind.

And then it just floated
away into the night

sky still laughing and
then just disappeared.

And that's when I was able to
have the courage to turn over.

So the only thing that I've
ever heard that made any sense

to me about what explained
that was actually as a

result of doing the interview
with Jeff Mara, which you

saw, or Jeff, the Jeff
Mora podcast which you saw.

And someone wrote in the
comment that they had

heard of this happening
with elementals, that

elementals can have that
trickster element where

they'll try to spook you
or, get you unsettled.

And it's very mischievous,
but they don't mean

any harm by it.

And they will often
come through surfaces,

come through walls.

That's very common
for them, apparently.

And that they will, say or do
things to jolt your reality.

And I come from a
Celtic background.

I grew up in a family where
my father talked freely with

me about fairies and elves
to encourage my imagination

right and to, to give me
a feeling of believing in

magic when I was a kid.

But I certainly never
imagined seeing fairies

in real life, or elves in
real life, or, this was not

something I'd ever said.

So it was only this one and
only time that this particular

thing happened, I ran down
the stairs to my parents.

It was at nighttime after
this happened, right?

Ran down the stairs,
told them what happened.

Very scared, and they were
like, oh, don't worry.

It's a bad dream.

They thought, of course,
that I had fallen asleep and

dreamt that this had happened.

I don't blame them for that.

I would've thought the same
thing, but I knew it wasn't.

I knew I had been wide awake
and I knew this had occurred.

And sure enough, as soon
as I put myself back

in my regular position
to sleep, I felt fine.

I felt relaxed.

The atmosphere in the room
felt normal and I fell asleep.

I was, 4, kids have
active imaginations.

For the longest time,
I thought, wow, I had a

really active imagination.

But it really did stick with
me in this way that made

me feel like, no, there's
something else about that.

There's something, cuz I
imagined lots of things very

vividly, but that really
stayed with me, through my

teen years, my twenties, my
thirties, I revisited it so

many times, and so I knew
that it was significant,

but I didn't know why.

It was just this feeling
that there's something

about this I need to know.

So I still don't have any
answers about it, but I do

feel like that experience
somehow broke something

open or made a crack occur
in my reality or something.

It just felt like a shift
occurred and I remember just

feeling different after that.

I had a different
feeling about the world.

I felt like, maybe there
are things that we.

Not that we can't see, but
there's other things going

on that we don't understand.

Yeah, just having that sense

Rod Bland: It's interesting.

There's two things I
thought of when you

mentioned elementals.

I, my skin crawled
a little bit.

Cause I thought, whoa,
that, that's actually,

that makes a lot of sense.

The other thing that, that
let's call it the trickster

reminds me of is when
people talk about their

experiences with DMT, with
the psychedelic D M T.

And I talk about
the machine elves.

And I've had one D M T
experience myself and I

encountered these little
trickster guys and it's

such a common theme, but
it does make me wonder

whether they just have a
different emotional makeup.

I've heard people talk
about, especially with

visitor experiences where
the visitors aren't really

meaning as harm, but some
people actually are harmed

and have these horrifying
experiences because they just

don't have emotions that work
the same as what ours do.

And it just makes me wonder
to them it was like they

were just having some fun,
but for you it was pretty

terrifying at the time.

Sinead Whelehan:
I agree with that.

It makes me think of, this
is the analogy, an analogy

I've used before to try to
explain that kind of thing.

Perhaps even when it comes
to extraterrestrial abduction

situations, although I
would never try to define

that experience, cause
I've never had that happen.

But I know there are many
people who really feel

this has happened to them.

But I imagine it to be
something like you take

your animals to the vet,
you have pets that you

love and you care for.

And they need to be seen by
a vet every once in a while

or by some kind of animal
doctor, homeopathic or

whatever your preference is.

And so you need to bring
them into this other

place, take them out of the
environment that they know,

which is very controlled,
for cats especially.

And you take them out of
this environment, you put

them into a box and you take
them someplace that looks,

smells, and sounds completely
unfamiliar, where there's a

whole bunch of sensory input
that is really overwhelming.

And then they get
poked and prodded.

They're on a long
silver table.

There's a lot of white
lights, and bright white walls

and huge beings they don't
recognize poking at them.

There really is a lot that
is similar to what you just

said in terms of people
having paranormal experiences.

And of course when we take
our animals to the vet,

it's for their good, it's
for their best interest.

We wanna take care of them,
we wanna make sure they're

healthy, we want them to
be looked after properly.

In their experience that's not
what's happening necessarily.

They could be completely
freaked out feeling like

their space is being invaded
or they don't understand

what's going on or whatever.

But we know that this is
for their good, yet that's

not their experience.

So to me that is a very common
experience with a lot of

people who have paranormal
things happen to them,

especially if they appear
to be scary or foreboding

or, just in some way dark or
whatever you wanna call it.

It is interesting how these
things occur because there are

lots of patterns and there are
lots of ways in which people's

paranormal experiences
are connected across the

world and through history.

Many similarities.

A remarkable number of them
actually, through time,

regardless of background,
culture, religion, whatever.

At the same time, there's
so many in anomalies and

there's so many ways that
they come through that are,

very individual for people and
very personal for people as

well, which is the part that
I find really fascinating.

The personal part, because
that to me is what lends

to, what I think personally,
this is all about of hu human

evolution, like the evolution
of our consciousness.

I don't think that
we are our bodies.

I don't think that this is
the only life we ever get.

And I think all these
experiences are here

for a purpose, just like
everything else is here

for a purpose, which is to
benefit us in some way if we

are able to make use of it.

And I'm not saying it's
all positive, everyone has

different experiences, but for
me, it's only been positive.

I've definitely benefited
from that and I think a lot

of it has also to do with
mindset and perspective.

What we draw towards us.

I think we have some control
over that and we have some

choice and decision also
with how we address things

that happen to us that we may
not be drawing towards us.

We still have a choice
with how we respond to that

and what we choose to take
from it to grow, right?

I don't know, it just lends
to a whole bigger conversation

about, sorry, about what
we're doing here and our

purpose on earth and our,
the purpose of human life.

Rod Bland: So when you
said you were, it was like

you were cracked open.

It sounds to me it's a bit
like for all the near death

experiences that I've had on
the channel, there's, for the

majority of them, something
was opened in a similar way,

and to me it seems almost
like you now have access

to get sensory input from
different levels of vibration.

The way I think about it
now is that, as a general

human experience you can
experience things at certain

vibrations, to do with our
sight and sound, et cetera.

But there are other different
wavelengths of vibration

that we don't have access
to that are more in the

non-physical realities.

And it's like somehow you got
a tune up, and this is what

happens to people when they
have a near death experience,

a lot of 'em get a tune up
and now suddenly they are

much more aware of things
that the everyday person

is completely blind to.

I think that's what's
happened with you.

Does that make sense?

Sinead Whelehan:
It does make sense.

Yeah.

I would agree with
that for sure.

That's interesting to hear.

It's also interesting to
hear how, my story, just like

anyone's story, how it lands
from people, because with

anything that we experience,
I think there's multiple

ways of looking at it, right?

For some people my
story is too far out.

It's just way too far out.

It's too woo,
it's too whatever.

That's fine.

I totally understand that.

Other people think this
is, exactly like them.

It validates their experience.

They get support
by hearing it.

That's wonderful.

But I think, with telling
stories, it's not even for

it to be understood and heard
and accepted by everyone

because it's just not going
to be, it's rather to push

boundaries a little bit, make
people a little uncomfortable,

and, also share things
that are of value I feel

to other people who I also
benefit from when they share.

Like just spreading this
kind of conversation and

this kind of thinking because
life is about so much more.

It just, it's about a lot more
than I ever thought it was.

And I thought that
was complete bull.

I really did.

I thought that a lot of things
that I have now directly

experienced I thought were
complete nonsense and that

wasn't exactly accurate.

Do I completely
understand all of it?

No, but it's helpful to me
when people like you give

me feedback like that.

It helps me to understand
a bit more about what is

landing for other people,
what's translating and

then that helps me with
digesting my own story too.

Rod Bland: Yeah.

Yeah, totally.

So I wanted to get into
your ET experiences that

began in 2017, but did
you have anything else

paranormal occur after your
initial experience at four?

Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

I did and I just didn't
realize what they were.

I really was very disconnected
from myself and I think

that's common for a lot
of people, considering the

conditioning and the messages
that we're given in society

and culture about what's
okay, what's not okay.

So yes, I did, but nothing
that I can say, this was

amazing because for the simple
reason that I wasn't really

able to pay attention to them.

But they they landed, I
definitely, oh, actually

there is one that I could
mention which was between

the ages of nine and 11, I
got a whole bunch of, the

best word I can f I have been
able to find, to describe

the experience is downloads.

And that was actually huge.

I was wrong.

There were a lot of
things that happened

that were impactful.

It's funny how you forget
these things sometimes because

there's a lot of trying to
figure it all out and it's not

necessarily in a linear way.

Anyway, so when I was nine,
about a, about age nine to age

11, I had these many downloads
that a lot of which would

happen, most of which would
happen in the doorway between

my kitchen, where I would eat
breakfast every morning at

the back of the house looking
out into our back garden.

That doorway that
went from the kitchen

into the living room.

For some reason it would
happen in the doorway.

And now I think
that's interesting.

Back then, I didn't think
anything of it at all.

I just would feel like
I had to stop in the

doorway and then I would
just get this download.

And it was, in my mind,
it looked like a tube of

light, which is weirdly
stereotypical, but

honestly, this is what
it felt like in my mind.

This tube of light and then
this concept that was not

a normal concept for a nine
year old to come up with

would just arrive in my mind.

And it was a complete
whole concept and I would

completely understand it.

And there was also this
experience of there being what

I call, I can't find a better
term for this or I haven't

yet front me and back me.

So front me was, nine year
old me who had just had

oatmeal for breakfast and was
wearing jeans and a t-shirt

and was getting ready to go
to school at nine, nine year

old me that was in the 3d.

Firmly in this
dimension, right?

This reality.

Back me was also me, but
understood absolutely

everything that was going on.

And I was aware of feeling
that in the moment that I

would have these downloads,
there's a part of me that's

this is just happening.

Okay?

It doesn't feel bad.

It actually feels really good.

Wow, this concept is
really interesting.

This is really neat.

But then I would have
to just continue on

with my day, right?

Because I would be literally
about to leave for school

and I had to function and
my mom is hollering at me

from the front door and my
little brother is there and

there's lunch bags and shoes
and we gotta go, right?

But then back me was in no
rush, and she just was able to

fully integrate and understand
what was going on, and I was

aware of her understanding
it, and I was also aware

of me having to go ahead to
function in my daily life.

Does that make sense?

Rod Bland: That
is so interesting.

So there's a few things
that I noticed there.

The downloads.

I dunno if you've read any
of Robert Munroe's books.

Journeys out of the Body
was the first one he wrote.

He wrote three
different books.

Robert Monroe founded
the Monroe Institute,

which is in Virginia.

Yes.

And so he obviously, he
documented his experiences.

That was what his
books were all about.

And he talked about rotes.

So rotes were like,
packets of information

that contained everything.

So when he was in a
non-physical reality, then he

would be given these rotes.

And you can imagine the way
I imagine it was like a kind

of a ball gets thrown at you
and the ball unfurls into

your mind and it contains
everything all at once.

So it's information,
it's sensory input it's

a whole bunch of stuff
all at the same time.

So that's what I heard
when you were talking about

getting those downloads.

And the doorway, it's
almost like it was a portal.

There was something different
about the vibration of space

and time in that particular
spot that allowed that to,

to occur in that particular
place, which is pretty,

pretty unreal, right?

Sinead Whelehan: Yeah I still
am puzzled by that as well.

And, I used to have another
experience that I would,

was wrong because I do
remember this after age

four, which was having,
this happened several times.

I would say this happened
maybe around seven or

eight times in total.

That's in my memory
from long ago.

But I can remember
seven or eight times.

There was one time
in particular.

And so what would happen
was I would see the future,

basically, I would get
this image very clear,

very detailed image in my
mind of something totally

ordinary, just a scene.

Okay.

And usually it would have
people I knew or someone

I knew in this scene doing
something completely normal.

And then I would have
this feeling when this

would occur as if really
as if time would freeze.

So time would freeze.

I would see this image,
I would have this sort of

electrical feeling, this
distinct feeling, almost like

having touched an electric
fence or something like that.

And then, and they would
unfreeze and the feeling

would start to go, the
electrical feeling.

And then later on, at some
point that exact scene would

appear in my actual life, like
down to the tiniest detail.

And so this happened once
when I was sitting next to my

half aunt, my mother's half
sister on a bench in a park.

She actually lived in
Australia for a number of

years, for about 30 years.

And this is the first
time that I realized that

there's a lineage of women
on my mother's side of the

family who have abilities.

And I never thought to
tell my mother any of the

things that were happening
to me prior to this.

I was 11 years old, 10
or 11 at this point.

So I'm sitting next to
the bench, next to my aunt

on the bench and I had
this experience where I

realized, oh my gosh, that's
exactly what I saw it.

I'm seeing in real life what I
saw, whatever two months ago.

And it was happening
in front of me with my

brother on a seesaw.

And the tree is
blowing a certain way.

My brother wearing certain
clothes and his leg

falling off the seesaw.

And it in a certain
way, it was just

exactly what I had seen.

And I got this jolt of
a bit of shock from it.

And my aunt noticed and
she looked at me and she

asked me if I was all right.

And I looked at her
and I realized, oh

my God, she knows.

It was this major moment
of validation for me.

Huge moment.

And I've talked with her
about it since in recent years

and told her how important
that moment was to me.

And she said, don't worry.

She didn't even, I think she
asked me what had happened

and I tried to explain
it the best that I could.

I don't know what I said.

And then she
said, don't worry.

It's okay.

This runs in our
family, it's okay.

And then my fear
about it was gone.

And I didn't know what it was.

I didn't know what
was happening.

I didn't know how to make
any sense of it at all.

But I just felt very reassured
by knowing that someone

in my family recognized
what was happening in that

moment without me having to
say anything and knew just

the right thing to say.

And it was so reassuring,
so I did have a few key

moments of experiences after
age four, that's for sure.

And then for a long
time, absolutely nothing,

that I was aware of.

I was very unhappy
for a long time.

And then in 2017, it
all started to change.

Rod Bland: I think you
said something very

pertinent there was that
you were very unhappy.

So, If I think about that in
terms of vibration, so your

vibration was quite low.

So in my mind it stands to
reason that your access to

these different other higher
levels of vibration, you

just weren't able to connect.

Cuz you weren't tuned
on that frequency.

There was something
you said about your

front me and back me.

The way I understood that was
so front you is the you that's

here and, everybody's got
their own concept about this,

but mine is that there's a
greater part of us in, we will

call it an oversoul for want
of a better word that exists

outside of time and space.

And it was like I certainly
don't have awareness of this,

but I've met people and I
think you're included is

that you have an awareness
of this greater other part

of yourself that exists
outside of this reality

which you called back me.

And so there is no
time in that place

where back me exists.

So it sounds like you had
this, you were able to divide

your focus between the two and
even actually have a point of

focus in both places at once.

This is something that Tom
Campbell, the author of My

Big Toe talks about where,
and he was also a graduate of

the the Monroe Institute where
the ability to shift focus

from this physical reality
to a different reality.

And then over time he
learned how to just

really just divide his
consciousness between the two.

And I think he
still does that.

I don't think he talks about
it a great deal, but he exists

in two separate realities.

He's got his current
consciousness and then the

other consciousness that
exists outside of that.

He can be having a
completely different

experience conversation.

And he's able to hold the,
both in the space of his

mind at the same time.

Sinead Whelehan: That
makes a lot of sense to me.

Especially I'm very
curious about what's the

newest thing that's being
learned or explored in

science, for example, and
one of those things is

multidimensionality, right?

Quantum physicists are
really deeply exploring that.

It's a very real possibility.

How does that fit into it?

And then how does the concept
of the higher self in terms

of all of us being, I mean,
this is a concept that's in,

essentially in every single
religion in the world, which

I think is fascinating.

Even though they all think
that they're the right

one and that they all
have the right answer,

they all are essentially
saying the same things.

And one, one of them
is, we are all God or

God is in us, right?

God is inside us, and yet we
are also human and not God.

So that's exactly the
same thing as people in

the spiritual community
saying we are all one.

We are all
connected to source.

We are all connected
to the universe.

We are all connected
to whatever you wanna

call it, the everything.

Yet we are also individual.

It is both, right?

And plus I really, the more
I live, the more I really

firmly believe that we
live in a dimension that

is made up of duality.

I think absolutely
everything in this

dimension is dualistic.

And so that includes
ourselves, right?

And includes our experiences.

That is, I think the
whole, the W H O L E of our

lives, of our experience
here is all of it.

So there's, so I'm
getting a little bit

off on a tangent here.

It just, it connects
to everything.

That's how I look
at it, right?

These experiences that
we're talking about in this

conversation that we're having
seems to be very specific and

for certain audience and only
applies to a certain field.

But it actually connects to so
many other things that, like

quantum physics, like current
science, like what's happening

with psychedelics, right?

There's psychedelics
are now being taken very

seriously by really reputable
researchers, scientists,

schools of medicine,
universities, laboratories.

It just connects to so many
other parts of our lives

and I find that really
fascinating and that's one

of the downloads that I
got when I was nine, was

about interconnectedness.

They gave it to me, whoever
they are, gave it to me by

showing me that the act of
me eating breakfast at the

table that morning, it was
going to affect a child.

And I saw this other child
in my head sitting at

their table somewhere in
Africa, in a country, in

Africa, and I just knew that
somehow that idea was true.

It just made sense.

I saw it as this kind of
ripple of endless, tiny

little after effects.

That would make it all
the way across to that

other child in Africa.

And we're not aware of that.

But it, I really think
that's true, right?

Like we send out signals,
vibrations, and impacts on

our environment every single
day that are so tiny that

we don't think about them.

It's very energetic,
it's very minute.

But this has been proven
with, in so many different

kinds of studies, how
important vibration and

energy is like with the water
molecule studies by that

wonderful Japanese scientist
who I'm now forgetting.

Oh my gosh, Mishiko.

Oh gosh, I'm
blanking on his name.

Anyway, it just

Rod Bland: one you mean.

Sinead Whelehan:
thank, yes, thank you.

Just that these conversations
seem to be so esoteric,

but I'm not actually
sure they really are.

They seem to be supported
more and more by what's

happening at the forefront
of science, medicine earth

sciences, botanicals, biology.

Yeah.

Just an endless number
of other ways that human

intelligence, thought and
exploration is demonstrated.

Did you find his name?

Rod Bland: Yeah, it was Dr.

Massaru Emoto.

Sinead Whelehan: Oh yes.

Rod Bland: Water
consciousness.

Yeah.

I haven't actually I've
heard about it, but I've

never actually read that
study, but I will now.

Sinead Whelehan: Oh,
it's fascinating.

So fascinating.

Yeah.

There's so many things that
sound like complete bs.

Send a thought out and
it'll do something.

People go, oh yeah, if
you look at the science

of what has project
achieved, they proved that

it has an effect on actual
physical material, water.

It just, I find that really
fascinating that this kind

of information comes up over
and over again in so many

different ways, from a person
in Toronto, Canada, from to

a person in Australia to just
so many other expressions

of the fact that there is
more, there's just more

than we think to reality.

Rod Bland: I completely agree.

All right, so let's jump
forward to 2017, and I'm

glad that you remembered
some things after the age of

four, so that's really good.

Yeah, tell me about this
is where things really

changed a lot for you.

It seems.

Let's hear about that one.

Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

I was really struggling.

I was really unhappy in my
life and I was really feeling

very disconnected from myself.

And for a very long time I
had been thinking, I wanna

get back, I wanna get back
to how I was as a child.

This became a really
big goal for me.

And it kept almost inserting
itself into my thoughts.

Almost like being tapped
on the shoulder by an

insistent adult who's
looking out for you.

Pay attention to this.

Pay attention to this.

That's what it felt like.

Don't forget about this.

Don't forget about what
you used to be able to

do, what you used to
be able to experience,

what that felt like.

That's really you.

And so I always really
felt this feeling that

was really me, right?

That space of where all those
things were really happening.

That's true me and I
needed to get back there.

So by the time 2017
rolled around, I was

not in that place.

I was feeling very
disconnected from myself.

I was in a career that
was exhausting me.

Teaching in public school.

And I love students
and I'm very passionate

about education.

I love kids, but the system
is exhausting for teachers

and I'll leave it at that.

So I was really
struggling with that.

I was struggling in
my personal life.

I was struggling with my
connection with myself.

And I felt who am I?

Like how did I get here?

Why am how did I end up
in this place where I'm so

unhappy and I don't know
who I am anymore or what I

want, or, I don't enjoy my
life, I wanna get back there.

How do I do this?

And in a very synchronistic
kind of way, the opportunity

to go to Peru came up,
and it all happened

incredibly easily.

It came together
really easily.

And I ended up in
Peru in July of 2017.

So basically I had many
experiences on that trip.

On that three week trip to
Peru, I had many experiences

that were deeply spiritual.

Felt somewhat, unusual.

Were not just me wishing or
hoping or being blissed out

by the beauty of the place
or something like that.

It was really I felt like
something was happening

to me and I felt myself.

I felt very myself in a way I
had not felt for a long time.

And I felt that pretty
much immediately after

I got off the plane.

And I couldn't understand why.

I just felt great.

As soon as I was in
Peru, I was on that land.

I just felt wonderful.

And it was not the
excitement of being on a trip

because I'm a
seasoned traveler.

It was something
about how I felt.

And so then all kinds
of different things

happened on that trip
to help me understand

why I felt that way.

And one of them was, and
this is the one that I had

the hardest time digesting
because it just seems

so completely out there.

And a lot of people who hear
this story, they immediately

think, oh, she was on drugs
and that's why this happened.

It's not like that.

It was involving Ayahuasca
and Ayahuasca retreat.

And ayahuasca, if used
properly, like any other

psychedelic, it can be
for very spiritual, very

healing, very meaningful
experiences and transformative

experiences for people.

It's not a party drug.

It has been abused as such.

It should not be.

It should be respected
as being much, much more

profound than a party drug.

And so I am not somebody
who takes drugs.

I just wanna say that cause
people comment on this

literally, every time I talk
about this experience, this

ends up in the comments.

I think that's too bad
because people are missing

out on a really incredible
tool for healing and for

contact and for spiritual
development and many reasons.

And of course you need to be
responsible, in terms of how

you go into the decision to
take something like ayahuasca,

because it is very profound
and it's very impactful.

Not for absolutely everyone,
but definitely for, I

would say most people.

So in any case, I had
researched very carefully this

place, and I ended up at this
very bare bones rustic, very

enmeshed with the land kind
of retreat center that was run

by Peruvians, not Americans.

So there's a lot of
American run retreat

centers there that are bit
more trendy or faddish.

If you go with the Peruvians,
you're more likely to get

someone who's from the
lineage of shamans and who

knows the history of how to
use the plant properly and

with respect to the plant,
but they believe that it

has a spirit and so do I.

I didn't believe that
before I took it though,

or I wasn't sure.

So anyway, I was really
unhappy and that is key

because I think that, for
so many years I've been

trying really hard to get
back to myself, to get back

to this part of me that felt
like the truest me, right?

The part that was able to
experience unusual things.

For whatever reason, that
just is what felt right.

And yet I was having a lot
of difficulty doing that

because I was so mired in
my own, there was a bit of

victim mentality going on.

There was shame, there
was guilt, there was

resentment, there was
anger, there was depression.

There was just so
many fun emotions.

And I really, was very deeply
in all of that and was not in

a place where I was feeling
particularly positive.

So the fact that I'd gotten
to Peru felt so good and

so connected to myself and
to the land essentially

as soon as I got there was
very encouraging for me.

But I still went into the
experience of the retreat,

really having no expectations
and absolutely no idea

what was going to occur.

So that's when I first
met extraterrestrials.

And the reason I think
that's true is two things.

One is that I had several
things happen, which are too

long to talk about, but I had
several things happen prior

to this experience that made
me feel like something was

coming or there was something
that was trying to reach me.

And yet I kept dismissing
that's nonsense, that's

ridiculous, right?

But I kept having that
experience and so Ayahuasca

is very powerful and so is
one's ego and so is one's

victim mentality and so is
one's anger and resentment.

That stuff is pretty
hard to work with if

you're glued to it.

We're stuck to it in
some way, which I was.

I feel like I, the power of
ayahuasca and the innately

healing and transformative
properties of and spirit

of ayahuasca met this other
challenge full on and just,

needed to bust through all of
that stuff to be able to get

to me, to help me with what I
wanted, which was to be back

in touch with myself again.

And to be back in touch with
the universe and to be able to

feel that expansiveness that
I used to feel as a child.

And so I think that
this is the way that it

happened for that purpose.

And the other reason that
I think it's legitimate is

they said to me at the end
of the experience, I said,

this is your invitation.

And at the time I
thought, wow, it's weird

that I made that up.

Why would I make that up?

I thought it was me.

I thought that I had created
the whole experience.

And that was another thing.

I was thinking, why, but why
would I choose UFOs and ET's?

That doesn't make
any sense to me.

I'm not involved
in UFOs or ET's.

I'm not in, at this point,
in 2017 in ufology at all.

Not reading about it, not
Googling it, not nothing,

absolutely nothing.

So why that, and so
it just stuck with me.

And then sure enough, in
2019, Things really blew open.

And that's when I realized
that when they had said,

this is your invitation,
they meant it because they

kept showing up in 2019.

That was my huge awakening,
which they validated for me

in physical form several days
later when I asked for it in

an absolutely undeniable way.

And then they've been in my
life off and on ever since.

How do you explain that?

I've talked to a
psychiatrist about it,

a psychologist about it.

There are people in my
family who, I know wouldn't

have taken me seriously.

And I was feeling like
I needed to be able to

take myself seriously.

I have questioned myself so
much about this and done so

much reading and talked to so
many people to make sure that

I'm not creating this right.

And the fact is validation
happens in a way that just

tells me over and over again
no, this really is real.

It really is happening.

Plus, meeting so many
other experiencers and

hearing their stories
and the similarities with

mine all around the world.

It just makes more
and more sense to me.

Rod Bland: I'm just trying
to connect the dots here.

So you had your Ahuyusca
experience and that was

where things opened up,
but there was something

else that occurred there.

Was that after that while
you were still in Peru?

Sinead Whelehan: So I was
in Peru for three weeks.

I had the Ayahuasca
experience there and then

where I was very briefly
inside a U F O, met a whole

bunch of extraterrestrials,
had a conversation with

them and a bunch of
other things happened.

But the main thing was
I met extraterrestrials

and they said to me.

They were just extremely
happy to see me.

I think it was the
excitement of knowing I

could see them and that
now we could communicate

that was the feeling.

So after that, went
home to Toronto.

Spent a long time trying to
integrate what had happened

and trying to understand
what had happened, but

I was not believing that
had actually occurred.

I thought that I had made
this up and this was somehow

how my mind was expressing
itself, and that it was

reminding me to be unusual
and it was okay to be unusual.

It was okay to be
interested in outer space,

like that kind of stuff.

I didn't know how else to
understand it at the time.

So then got home felt really
great for quite a while.

It really was an incredibly
healing experience for me

on the whole being in Peru
for those three weeks.

Then I got depressed again
because of course I was

back in my life, right?

I was back in all the
things that had stressed

me out and made me tired.

They were there, they
were still there.

So then in 2019 I was
recovering from my second

cochlear implant surgery.

And so I'm deaf and I have
two cochlear implants.

The second surgery, it's
a, it's quite a big deal.

They go into your inner
ear system and they implant

a little magnet and they
thread a microfiber that

has little elements on
it through your cochlea.

It's a whole
complicated thing.

It's amazing technology
that I'm very grateful for.

And so I had this surgery
and I was recovering and

I was dizzy pretty much
24 7 for about two weeks.

So I couldn't do a lot.

I was not able to be very
physical because I was too

dizzy and I couldn't read
because I was too dizzy.

So I was watching movies
and I just got incredibly

bored of that after a
while and really wanted to

see something different.

And so I happened to stumble
upon Bob Lazar and Area 51.

A documentary that's
made by Jeremy Corbel.

Had never heard of Bob Lazar.

Again, I was not in ufology
at all, and I think I had

even forgotten about my Peru
experience at this point,

cuz I had gotten right back
into depression and right

back into being unhappy.

It was still in my mind
somewhere, but it was not

something I was actively
thinking about at this

point two years later.

And the Peru experience was
in July and August, 2017.

This was also in July.

In 2019, I watched
the documentary Bob

Lazar in Area 51.

It completely blew my mind
and this was my reaction to

the film also surprised me.

How strongly I reacted to the
film, how much I resonated

with him and with also
what he was talking about.

How fascinated I was.

I remember thinking to myself,
why do I feel like this?

This is interesting.

I'm feeling so strongly
about this, but I felt this

excitement and was absolutely
enthralled the entire time.

And then as soon as the
documentary is over, I crawled

across the floor and turned
it off and boom, had my

awakening experience, which
was inherently what felt

like a whole bunch of, I, I
believe extraterrestrials.

I couldn't see them, but
I'll explain why I thought

they were extraterrestrials.

I just, first of all, in the
moment just knew, had this

feeling of just knowing for
absolutely no reason that

these were extraterrestrials.

I could hear them
speaking to me.

I knew there was a
whole bunch of them.

It was not an actual voice.

It was vibratory or
energetic language, and

it is every single time.

And it was also in
download form between

the ages of nine and 11.

It's just, it's vibratory,
it's energetic, and it's

a full, complete language.

And I can understand
what they were saying to

me and they said, okay.

Alright, it's time.

We're here, we're
gonna wake you up.

Like you have a job to do.

This is part of your life.

It's always been part of your
life, but now you really have

to make it part of your life.

And, ooh, let's get going.

That was essentially
the message.

And we're here to support you.

We've always been with you
and a lot more than that.

But that was really it.

And it was this just
extraordinary amount of

energy, extraordinary
amount of heart and care.

And I have never had anything
like that ever happen

in my life, ever before.

And so I just
knew it was real.

I can't explain how and why.

I just knew.

And so I took it seriously
and I started going into,

I became very oh my God.

And just not enthralled,
it's the wrong word.

I could not stop thinking
about it, I really could

not stop thinking about it.

It had just.

The expression I used is
getting bonged over the head

with a cosmic frying pan.

It really felt like I had been
bonged, like just bong over

the head, like reverberating
through me with this new

understanding that this was
real and I could never look at

myself or my life or reality
the same way ever again.

It was absolutely massive
as an experience with this

massive amount of energy
and this massive presence.

And so then I just went down
the rabbit hole of researching

and reaching out to people and
asking for help and getting

a lot of wonderful support
from people who were leaders

in the community, including
the honorable Paul Hellyer,

who was unfortunately passed
away, but he was the Minister

of Defense for Canada in
the sixties and seventies

for a period of time.

And he had been a UFO
experiencer himself, and so

he became active in ufology
years after he left his

post with the military.

Anyway, I reached out to him.

He validated that
I was not crazy.

Basically, like he said,
this is not unusual.

You are not alone in having
an experience like this.

But then all the same,
few days later I started

to work in this warehouse
marking piles and piles of

booklets that were collected
from students all over

the country and teachers
were hired to mark these

booklets for literacy, data
purposes, and math as well.

Something like two and a
half weeks later, I had

recovered from my surgery
and I was starting this job.

And the contrast between
what I had been experiencing

for the two and a half weeks
prior, which was basically

having my paradigm completely
busted and discovering a whole

new world of information and
experience that I had not even

had a clue existed with any
legitimacy, to thud, reality

working in this warehouse.

There's concrete everywhere.

It's very low vibe.

There's people
chugging coffee.

We're just doing a job for
the government kind of thing.

And it was just very, like
the daily grind feeling.

And so a few days into this,
three days into this job,

which is now about three
weeks after my experience,

my awakening, I started
getting worried about myself.

And so I went home.

And that night after
work, I was very upset.

I really was very upset.

I was concerned about
my mental state.

And so I talked to them and I
don't think I've ever really

done that before, but I
just knelt down on my living

room floor and genuinely
spoke to them from my heart.

And I just said, I need
you to prove it to me

that this happened because
I feel like it's real.

I feel like you're real.

I really think this happened.

I can't think of why I
would make this up, but

I need you to prove to
me that this is real.

And the next day for 45
minutes, between 9 and 9:45

in the morning, every booklet
that I took randomly off

the shelf at the front of
the room, anybody could just

go up and grab any stack
of booklets to mark, that

morning and that morning only
for 45 minutes every single

booklet that I opened in
child handwriting, age 10 or

11, these are kids writing
responses to a question.

It was not actually responses
to the question at all.

It was all about
consciousness, portals,

time, travel, free
energy flying cars.

The earth is alive.

There's an
intergalactic council.

Extraterrestrial.

It, I was absolutely shocked.

Shocked.

Booklet after booklet.

In handwriting, in pencil,
I could see it with my

own eyes in front of me.

I couldn't believe it.

And I could not take
photographs because it's

government property, so
I can't actually prove

that this happened.

But I ran to the bathroom
and furiously texted some

friends of mine who are
activists in the community,

ufology and CE-5, and and
they're lovely people and

they're very grounded.

I thought that then, and I
still think that now, and

I texted them and I said,
I just need to tell you

this is happening because
I cannot believe this.

My arms are covered
in goosebumps.

Is this real?

Can I just, I need you
to tell me this is real.

And they were like, yeah, that
kind of, that's what happens,

sometimes to some people.

And so they heard
you and they're

validating your request.

How else can I interpret that?

There's no other way I
could interpret that.

I don't hallucinate ever.

And so that was something that
happened in broad daylight at

nine o'clock in the morning
to an ordinary person sitting

in a wi, it was just, it
still stuns me to this day.

It was really something
else, and it gave me

so much encouragement.

And so ever since then,
sometimes, not always,

but more and more if I
ask them, if I really ask

them from my heart to show
up, something will happen.

I'll see a U F O and I'll know
it's a U F O because it's,

I know how to analyze and
say, okay, that's not a U F

O because it's an airplane.

How do I know
it's an airplane?

Or how do I know it's a drone?

Or how do I know
it's a satellite?

If I don't wanna make
things up for myself, I

wanna know that what I'm
experiencing is real.

Or if it's not real,
then it's not real.

You know what I mean?

It's important to me to
keep myself grounded in, the

authenticity of the weirdness,
if that makes any sense.

Rod Bland: Yeah,
this reminds me.

So this sort of doubting what
you're seeing and what you are

witnessing is, I'm sure that
happens to so many people.

I can't remember exactly,
remember it was one of

Whitley Streiber's books
where he is talking about

the the key master or
the master of the key.

And I can't pull up the web
browser to look, but he had

someone, he was in a hotel.

He was like hiding out
almost because like I

mentioned before we started
the recording, he become

somewhat of a pariah and
people were like pursuing him.

And so he was hiding out
in a hotel in a country and

he had someone come into
the hotel who he later on

referred to as the, I think
it was the Key Master.

He wrote a book about it.

Fascinating book.

And initially, he was thinking
what's one of the hotel

staff doing coming in here
at 1:30 AM in the morning?

Cause it was really late
and early in the morning.

And then after a while
he realized this person

is not, he's not human.

He looks human, but he's not.

And he, even, despite all
of his experiences, he

was still doubting that
he wasn't, hallucinating.

And then he had to, he after
the evidence started to

stack up, he thought, okay,
this is actually real and

I'm not going bonkers here.

So I think that's surely,
that's a pretty common

experience for many people
to doubt themselves because

it's so far out of the norm.

Sinead Whelehan: And yet, so
important to be open, I think,

to letting those things in
because, essentially whether

or not they're real, I think
is not really the issue to me.

It's the effect it has on you.

Because any experience like
that is going to crack open

your sense of normal, your
sense of stability and what

you're used to and usual.

And that's really important
for consciousness to develop.

We have to be able to have
those periods of, popping

out the door of our familiar
reality to see what else is

out there, because it's very
important, I think, of course,

this is just my opinion, but
I think it's very important

that we have experiences
that are challenging, whether

it's in real life or not
in quote unquote real life

struggles, difficulties.

They're awful, but they
teach us something if we

choose them, if we choose
to allow them to, they

always teach us something.

If not anything else, about
our own strength and our own

resilience, and our ability
to persevere and to survive,

which I think often we
don't really give ourselves

enough credit for, generally
speaking, as human beings.

There are people who live
in countries around the world

right now who are surviving in
circumstances I cannot fathom.

And, how much do we really
recognize that, like in,

in the every day, the fact
that human beings have

extraordinary ability to
survive and to persevere.

So whether or not it's
something that we understand

or we have answers for is
not actually important to me.

Just like it's not incredibly
important to me that I see

all my guides and I know
exactly what they look like.

That doesn't actually
matter to me.

What matters to me is
the communication and

the messages, or the
information and how they're

helping me in my life.

And that's how I know that
also that this experience

I'm having ongoing is
legitimate because it's

changing me in ways that
I've always needed to change.

It's helping me grow in
ways I've needed to grow.

It's making me a more
connected person to myself

and to what I really need
in life, and to be able

to make a contribution to
anybody else or anything

else as well, in a real way.

Rod Bland: That's
such a good point.

It's so easy to, when
you hear of someone's

experience, it's easy to
go how do we validate this?

How do we actually,
prove this?

Then many people who have
those experiences do go

to great lengths to try to
validate and prove their

experience so that other
people can have that.

But I think you make a really
good point is that how does

it actually make you feel?

How does it affect your life
in a way that helps you grow.

I'm just thinking the same
thing when anybody who

watches this interview, it's
what sort of impact is it

actually having on them?

And I agree that's
the important piece.

That's, it's less important
that it be validated.

Sinead Whelehan: Yeah,
and I I feel similarly

about how physical we
are about everything.

Like to me, this is,
my body is not me.

And your body is not you.

This is the container
that we're traveling

around in this life.

This is my concept, right?

So therefore, it makes any
judgments that we have about

each other's physicality
inherently ridiculous because

things like racism, sexism,
ableism, whatever it is,

making judgments about another
person based purely on their

physical appearance is such
a ridiculous concept because

the person is not their body.

It's the energy.

It's what's inside
the body that counts.

And to me it's that
same sort of idea.

Does that make sense,
that comparison?

Rod Bland: Yeah, that's
a really great point.

I just made a note
here about CE-6, oh,

sorry, CE-5 presentation
and the energy merge.

Can you tell us
about that story?

Sinead Whelehan:
Oh gosh, yeah.

That experience
is really huge.

I'm still actually digesting
that one in some ways.

This was in August of 20.

2021.

Excuse me.

Yes.

It was August, 2021.

So there's a pattern so far of
really big energy or energetic

experiences happening almost
exactly two years apart.

The first one was July late
July, early August, 2017.

Then the second one was
late June, early July, 2019.

And then this was late
July, early August, 2021.

So what happened was Grant
Cameron, who I was assisting

at the time invited me to
assist him on a presentation

cause he was the keynote
speaker at an event that was

being held in Illinois, run
by some people that we knew.

And so we traveled there
together and there were a

series of talks throughout
the day on different

topics, actually over two
days on different topics.

It's a terrific event
called the Worldwide

Meta Metaphysical Tribe.

And He was gonna be speaking
and I was gonna do this little

presentation about Sasquatch.

And so I did that and
I remember feeling

a bit odd that day.

And, there were a couple
of things that were just

a little bit unusual for
me to experience, such as

having difficulty speaking,
like actually speaking,

like talking, getting my
voice out of my mouth.

And so I couldn't figure
out what that was.

I thought, am I getting
some kind of bug?

Is my throat
starting to act up?

It was a little bit
of a strange moment.

So there were a couple things
that happened, no big deal.

Anyway, later on that
afternoon at two o'clock

began this presentation
by two CE-5 experts and

leaders in the CE-5 field.

CE-5 is close encounters of
the fifth kind, and it tends

to be a circle of people
who come together with the

purpose of making contact
with extraterrestrials.

Usually through ships,
but contact can happen

in different ways.

So ships will appear
is what I mean.

So we were going to have
this presentation at this

event with an audience of 50
to 60 people in the middle

of the afternoon, in the
middle of the summer in

Illinois, in this space that
was essentially outdoors.

So it was a covered space and
it was set up as if it was a

room, but there were no walls.

So there was garden
all the way around us.

And right in front of
me, there was a very tall

evergreen hedge about 20 feet
away from where I was sitting.

And Grant was sitting
right beside me.

So at about three o'clock, and
I have this very weird pattern

of threes happening with a lot
of my paranormal experiences.

I'm not sure why it just
has happened like that.

So this is one example, right
around three o'clock halfway

through the presentation, I
had this very strong feeling

to, as if almost somebody was
calling me to look over here.

And so I looked over, but
where I felt like I was being

directed to look was right in
front of me and all I could

see with this evergreen hedge.

So I just thought
okay, that was weird.

I got distracted, and I looked
back at the presentation,

which was about 45 degree
angle, to my right.

And so I'm watching the
presentation, but again, I get

this feeling, look over here.

And so I looked over and
then I start seeing this

very slight sort of misty
texture in front of the hedge.

And I'm looking at it and
I really feel like I'm, I

have to look at this, even
though I wanna be I'm polite,

I wanna be respectful and
look at the presentation.

And I'm very obviously
looking away from it, but

I really felt compelled.

And so I'm looking and I'm
seeing gradually this mist,

which is very just like a
almost, it started almost

like a sort of sparkle over
this surface the dark green

background of the hedge.

And then it became over
a few seconds, I think

the misty filled in misty
outline of this very tall

being that was about seven,
maybe eight feet tall.

Very thin torso.

Long thin arms,
long thin legs.

And I could see everything.

I could see the full
detailed outline of the

body, the head, the neck

Rod Bland: Wow.

happened?

Sinead Whelehan: So first of
all, I'm just sitting there

really like having difficulty
believing that I'm seeing this

and I actually pinched myself.

And I also was talking
to myself like, is

this really happening?

Am I really seeing this
do a reality check?

So I look around the room
and I look back at it.

It's still there.

So I can't think of a reason
why this is happening.

And I've never had
anything like this happen

before either, right?

This being materializes and
is just standing there in this

very calm but strong pose.

Arms just down at its
side, feet planted.

And it's directly in my
line of sight facing me.

And then I hear in my head,
this is an energy merge.

And I immediately
think that's weird.

Why did I just think that?

And then right after that, it
was as if I was being blasted

by a water cannon of energy.

It was just this really
massive amount of energy

being beamed at me.

That's what it felt like.

And yet I wasn't afraid.

It was very intense.

I started to lose a little
bit of, at first it was a

little bit of my vision of
what was actually around me.

I started to lose my
ability to see clearly

what was around me and
the air quality changed.

This is something I found
out later as common for

experiences that the
air became like water

or I don't know, there
was a substance to it.

It became thicker somehow,
and everything just

slowed down and my body
felt totally different.

And I was also very numb.

And my whole body was buzzing,
just buzzing and buzzing and

vibrating and reverberating
with this energy.

Huge indescribably
strong energy.

And that went on
for the next hour.

And then by the end of the
presentation, an hour later,

my friend Kim, who was one
of the people giving the

presentation, had figured
out by then that something

was wrong, cuz she saw
me just basically staring

at a hedge for an hour

slapped, slap jawed,
just ugh, like this.

And so she came over and
yelled in front of me

and said, are you okay?

And I couldn't really talk,
my jaw was really numb and

I just felt so strange and
everything was reverberating

with this incredible energy.

And I managed to get a few
things out after a minute to

tell her, can you help me?

Can you help me
move from this spot?

Because people were
starting to get up and

move around and I could
not interact with anyone.

There was absolutely
no way that I could

have a conversation.

So she helped me make my way
a few steps away, and I was

really having to check for
the surface of the ground.

Like I felt like the
ground wasn't really there.

It was a very
funny experience.

And so then I went into
this gazebo with her, which

was covered by Ivy, and so
it was private and she was

wonderful and supportive.

Her name is
Kimberly Marie Port.

She's a leader in CE-5
and a wonderful person,

and she was so supportive.

Stayed with me, and she
said once my body started

unfreezing, essentially, I
was able to get out a little

bit more of what had happened
and describe it to her.

And I was doing what you
would do, if you had been to

the dentist and been given a
freezing agent and then you're

stretching your mouth out,
trying to loosen your muscles

up and get them going again.

I was doing that while
I was talking, and so I

explained to her essentially
what had happened, and she

said to me, that sounds
like an energy merge.

So I said to her, can you
please remember that you

said that because that's
literally what I heard

in my head an hour ago,
and I don't know what an

energy emerge is, so then
she explained to me why it

sounded like an energy merge.

I'd never heard
of such a thing.

I'd never knew that something
like that existed before.

This also near the end of
this experience, I started

seeing in my mind these
really strong images that

I felt were representing
what was occurring

energetically around me.

So one thing was that there
was this bright column

of light that was coming
from far up above me going

straight through my body and
going down into the earth.

And I have the feeling
that everybody has this.

Everyone has this connection
to what's above and below in,

in an infinity sort of way.

Like we're all connected
to something huge.

That was the feeling I had.

And so it was this bright
column of light going

straight through my body.

And then also seeing the
energy running up from all

my extremities and swirling
into my chest as if my

chest was a whirlpool.

So all this energy was being
sucked up into my chest.

And I could see this in
my mind and in my mind the

light in my chest was orangey
yellow, or mostly yellow.

And then I also saw this
light from somewhere off in

front of me that was beamed
directly at my third eye.

And so I'm just seeing all of
this occurring in my mind and

just making my way through it,
step by step, still feeling

this massive amount of energy.

So it really took several
hours before it completely

wore off, and I ended
up falling asleep for a

couple of hours as well.

During which, just before
which the being appeared

again, but this time he's in
my room and kind of at the

end of my bed and I didn't,
I couldn't see all of it.

It was just the shoulders and
the head and it was a very

pleasant, friendly feeling.

And then I fell asleep
for two hours, got up with

three minutes to spare
before Grant's presentation

and ran out to where he
was presenting still in

the midst of this, right?

Thinking about this.

Somehow assisted
him for that hour.

I don't know what I
said or did, but I did.

I made my way through it.

And then later that night,
there was a CE-5 with a

whole bunch of people from
the event out in this dark

graveyard or beside this
graveyard in the dark.

And there was a photograph
taken of me with what looks

like a little being standing
right beside me and also

this really bright light
coming out of my chest.

And there's no explanation
for why either of those

things look the way that
they do in that photograph.

It's not explained by any
light reflective surfaces.

I didn't have a
phone on my chest.

I didn't have a piece
of jewelry on my chest.

I was not wearing
glasses there.

I've had people ask me
everything about this did

you have this or was it that?

But I had it analyzed
by someone I know who

works at Getty Images.

They couldn't explain it.

And also professional
photographer friend of mine

couldn't explain it either.

So I don't know what it
is, but it seems very

interesting that would show
up right after I'd had that

experience earlier in the day.

It just seemed a bit
funny, the consistency.

And so I really felt like
that being was there beside

me because I was still
very much feeling their

presence during that CE-5.

Really still
feeling that energy.

Will sometimes stay with
me for days when that

kinda thing happens.

In this case it was hours and
then yeah, just after that,

try to gradually understand
what might have happened, but

I still have really no idea.

All I know is that it
was deliberately done to

me to help me somehow.

Rod Bland: It's like
another tune-up.

That's what I got.

It sounds like you had
another tune-up, but a

more extreme version.

Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

Yeah, it was exhausting,
but also really felt

really good in a way.

And I felt like I was
somehow being given a lot

of support in terms of my
development, but I don't

specifically know what it
was or what it was for.

Rod Bland: Do you have the
photo on your computer?

Sinead?

Sinead Whelehan: I do have
it on my computer somewhere.

It'll take me a
minute to find it.

So the first photo that
you'll see, there's

three different ones that
I'm I'm showing here.

The first one is the original
photograph, and so it's

a random point and shoot.

And what had happened was
we were in a CE-5 circle, so

there was a circle of white
chairs, and you're going to

see the very far edge of the
circle in this photograph.

And in the background you
can see a cemetery and you

can also see some trees.

So it looks like
it's daylight, but

it was not at all.

It was very dark.

There was a faint yellowish
light that was coming

from a parking lot lamp
that was a distance away.

And if you look really
closely at this photograph,

you can see that there's
night skies stars.

There's stars in the sky.

It really was nighttime.

It was very dark.

We could barely see each
other across the circle.

And so this photograph
was taken during a break

in the proceedings when
actually I had come into

the circle a little bit late
with Grant because he and

I had been talking about
what had occurred with the

energy merge and I needed
to eat and I was starving.

After the energy merges
happened, I was absolutely

ravenously hungry.

So I was eating this huge
plate of pasta and talking to

Grant about what had happened.

And and so then we were a
little bit late, about 15

minutes late or so, 20 minutes
maybe to the CE-5 circle.

So when we walked
into the circle again,

it's really dark.

And I don't think people
on the other side of the

circle knew that it was
us that were coming in.

But when we started getting
close to the circle,

people started exclaiming
making sounds and saying,

oh, there's a really big
energy that's suddenly

come into this circle.

There's this really big
energy that suddenly come in.

And I'm not hearing any of
this by the way, this is all

told to me later because I
can't really hear in the dark.

It's funny.

People can't see in the dark.

I can't hear in the dark.

I have to be able to see
people, I have to be able

to see their faces, their
their lip movements, their

facial expressions, their
body language in order to

really have full context
of what's being said.

And I need to be able
to match the sounds that

I'm hearing with what
I'm seeing on the mouth.

And so in the dark,
I can't do that.

So I could hear people's
voices, but I had no

idea what was being said.

And so I completely
missed this whole part.

And because people were
exclaiming about this energy,

this big energy coming into
the circle unexpectedly

Marcel, the guy who was
leading it, who had been

one of the co-presenters
of the C5 presentation that

afternoon where the energy
merged actually happened.

He's now, it's hours
later and he's now

leading the CE-5 circle.

He was feeling it
too, this energy.

So he said, okay, everybody,
let's take a break and

cuz you're all getting
distracted by this feeling

and let's investigate it.

Let's just take our cameras,
whatever kind of camera

you have, and just take
photographs of what's

around you and we'll just
see if anything emerges.

So that was the context.

And so this woman who I didn't
know took this photograph and

I, and then after she took
it, she came up to Grant

and I, and you can see in
the foreground, you can

see Grant sitting there
with his chair slightly

bent back and his head is
turned away from the camera.

He's talking to me who
is on the other side of

him, and his arm is up.

He's moving his arm
around while he talks.

So that is the
first photograph.

And so the woman who took
it immediately came over

and told us that she was
seeing this funny light and

something standing beside me.

And I didn't hear it because
I couldn't hear in the dark.

So again, this is something I
was not aware of until Grant

told me something like half an
hour later with a flashlight

in front of his face.

So I could see his lips.

And then I said, oh.

And so I ran after the
woman and asked to see

the photograph and asked
her to send it to me.

And then the second photograph
is a closeup of Grant and

I sitting in the chairs.

So Grant is again
in the foreground.

His face is turned
away from the camera.

And I'm be, I'm behind
him from the viewer from

the viewer's perspective.

Right now my chair is back
a little further than his.

I'm wearing a pink
sweater, so you can see my

shoulder behind his chair.

And then my arm is straight
up in the air and on my chest

is a very bright light and
with tendrils coming outta it.

And so here is the
very closeup version,

which is my arm raised.

And this little being or
what looks like a little

being standing right
in front of my hand.

So you can see a head
shape, an eye, the

neck, the shoulder.

It's very small.

It's the same height as most
people say little grays are,

or a lot of little beings are.

Yeah, it's interesting
and apparently there's

a lot of other faces
in this image as well.

The larger original image.

That I can't see, but other
people have, including

Barbara, who has decades
long experience of working

with Experiencers, hearing
their stories, seeing

photographs, and she said
that this is legitimate.

So I don't know, it just
seems oddly coincidental

considering how I was feeling,
that I was still feeling

the reverberations of this
very strong energy, that

the being had come with the
energy merge hours earlier.

And in my visualization
near the end of the energy

merge, I saw this very
bright light in my chest.

There's a very bright
light on my chest in this

photograph that's not
explainable, plus this little

being standing next to me.

And I have experience
with ets and also

that's something else.

Before this event, I was
seeing ET faces, gray

faces in the clouds a
lot outside my apartment.

Very detailed, clear ET faces.

It happened two or three
days before I left for

the event, and I was just
looking at them going.

Okay, ET faces, okay,
what do I do with this?

Because it's usually
some kind of a message.

And then, this event occurred
and it made me realize

that they were saying
hello this is gonna happen.

There's something that's
going to occur involving us.

So they were giving me a
little bit of a heads up

that I was not understanding
it, or at least that's

the way I translate it.

I don't know how else
to make sense of that.

So it was a pretty interesting
experience, just the fact

that this photograph was
taken, what it shows,

but also it does line up
perfectly with what I had

experienced earlier that day.

And I didn't take
that picture.

I haven't done
anything to alter it.

It's the original photograph
with a lighter filter over

it to be able to see more
clearly what was in the

dark in the photograph.

But that was done by
the woman who took it.

I have not made any
alterations whatsoever, so

it's intriguing for sure.

Rod Bland: Yeah,
it's pretty amazing.

I, the I could definitely
see the figure.

I showed it to my wife
and she goes, what?

So do you think that the
being that you encountered

there was one of those beings
that appeared, was it back

in 2019 in your lounge room?

Sinead Whelehan: Oh gosh.

I really don't know.

The fact that it showed up
physically the way that it

did, with that physicality.

I did talk to Grant
about it because he

was there with me and I
asked him what he thought

and he said that it's,
there's different types of

grays and it sounded most
similar to this type of gray

that is very tall and thin.

And cuz it had their
bit of a bulbus head.

Not really super
bulbus, a little bit.

Just a little bit there.

Yeah, I don't know.

I've asked them to
show me who they are.

I've asked them to show up.

I've asked to actually
meet them, and that's a,

okay, so that's actually
a part of the story.

I had been asking
them to meet them.

I had been saying for about
two months before August,

2021 in Illinois before
the energy merge, I, and

then I was laughing at
myself about it afterwards

because it was like, be
careful what you wish for.

It was so incredibly intense
and I do not regret it, but

it was incredibly intense.

So for about two months before
that, I had been talking to

them and saying, I think I
might be better to meet you.

I trust you.

I've always only had positive
experiences with them.

So I said, I trust you.

You can show up in the
way that you feel is

most appropriate for me,
but I would really like

to see you or meet you.

It's not essential.

It doesn't absolutely have
to happen, but I would love

it if that's okay with you.

That's basically
what I was saying.

So then lo and behold, I go to
this event and this happened.

And there were
other things too.

For example I was teasing
Grant quite a lot at the

time about having his number
be 1111 because he is not

really into numerology.

And I had this number, pattern
three that was happening

so dominantly, especially
around that time again

cuz it happens in phases.

So I'd been teasing
him about it.

We got to the B and b where,
he had a room and I had a

room and, everybody it was
not a very large place.

Some people had their
individual rooms of what

seemed like this house, but
there were little key hats in

front of every door that you
had a lock on your door, you

had to punch in your code.

Well, Grant's code was 1111.

That's the code that
was given to him.

So there were just little
things like that, that

were happening as well,
that were making both

of us laugh and go, huh.

And so I had this feeling
like something was gonna

happen and I just, I had
that the week before I went.

I even told friends of
mine and then later on.

I got back from Illinois
and was telling them

about it and they said,
so did something happen?

And I was like
let me tell you.

Plus when I got back
from Illinois, this

is the part I did not
talk about in JeffMara.

There just wasn't enough time.

Five days after I got back, I
was sitting having a Zoom with

two friends of mine, one of
whom who had been a presenter

at the event, and the other
had been the person who

organized the event where this
energy emerge thing happened.

And I was talking to them and
I was telling them about what

had occurred because I hadn't
been able to explain it.

There was just
too much going on.

I needed time to process,
et cetera, et cetera.

And so I'm talking to them
about it, and as I'm telling

them the story of what
occurred, my phone goes Bing.

And this message shows
up on Facebook and it's

from a medium, a psychic
actually, who I had never

spoken with in person.

Have you heard this?

Did you hear of this

Rod Bland: No.

No.

Sinead Whelehan: So this
was really bizarre, and this

is the kind of validation
that I'm telling you.

It just makes me feel
over and over again,

okay, this is real.

I'm not nuts.

This really is happening.

So five days later, talking to
my friends, telling 'em this

story, my phone goes off, I
pick up, I say, oh, I'm sorry,

which I don't normally do.

I don't normally let my phone
distract me from attention.

I'm giving people I generally
think that's rude unless

it's important, right?

But I have this feeling
I should look at it.

And so I said,
I'm really sorry.

Hang on a second.

I'm just gonna look
at this message.

And they witnessed
me going, oh my God.

Because what it was a
message from this psychic

who's now a friend of mine,
because this event that

happened connected us.

It was too weird,
the message from her.

I had never had a
conversation with her.

I had never spoken with
her or met her or had any

one-on-one interaction with
her except a Zoom event that

she had for people who were
interested in psychic ability.

And she was leading it.

But there was 10 other
people in the group.

So I had never communicated
with her one-on-one.

And she sends this message
saying to me, hi, I know we

don't really know each other.

I'm really sorry.

We were connected on Facebook.

I'm really sorry.

I hope you don't mind, but I
have to give you this message.

And it, it has this
otherworldly feeling, she

says to me, and it was a
message that was directly in

line with what had happened,
the energy merge and what

I had experienced and the
thoughts and feelings I had

about it, and the conversation
I had with Grant about it.

It was a hundred percent
in line with that.

And so I just could
not believe it Again,

I couldn't believe it.

I still get surprised by these
things when they happened.

So I immediately told my
friends, they couldn't believe

it cuz they had been there,
they had seen and heard about

what had happened, but hadn't
gotten all the details, which

is why I was telling them.

And it was just insane.

And then that happened
two more times.

That has happened two more
times since most recently.

When at the very beginning
of May, I went to a U

F O conference in New
York, a really good U F

O conference that's very
small, but excellent very

good quality information.

And so I went there.

The first night that I
arrived, this funny little

thing happened where I
had asked them to show up

and say hello them right?

If they felt like it, I
said that it would be great.

I'm going to this event.

It's all about you guys.

I'll be thinking about you.

It's been a while since
we've been in touch.

I would love to get
something from you.

And then I just

left,

Rod Bland: right?

Sinead Whelehan: right?

So no expectations went.

And the very first night
that I got there, I got

to my hotel room very
late and I was tired.

It was about midnight and I
was ready to just go to sleep.

But something made
me turn on the tv.

And on the TV was the
menu of what was playing.

And one of those items
was the movie Contact

with Jodi Foster.

So I instantly saw that
really famous scene, where

she arrives in the other
dimension and she's on a

beach that isn't really
a beach, and there's her

father that isn't really her
father coming down the beach.

And then they have the most
significant conversation

in the whole film.

And I saw that whole
scene in my mind.

And then I turned to the
film and that exact scene

had just started playing.

And I thought,
that's too weird.

So I felt hi guys.

I just felt like it was a
hello from them because the

fact that I would be the day
before going, the night before

going to a UFO conference
Contact would be on tv.

Then I see that scene in
my mind, and then that's

the exact scene that's
playing on television from

the minute that it started.

It was just too funny.

And so I felt like that
was them saying hello.

Maybe it wasn't, but I feel
like it was, cause I don't

know how else to explain that
little string of coincidences.

And then and then a couple
of days after I got back

from the conference, I got
a message from my psychic

friend who was validating
again, what I had experienced.

It was really, it's really
something, how it occurs.

It's really something.

And it's really fun.

And it's also, really
expansive and exciting and

wonderful in many ways that
are very meaningful to me.

But it's also important really
important to stay grounded in

this reality and not get too
caught up because both are

real and we have to straddle
both, I think, in order to

handle it all effectively.

Rod Bland: I was just
thinking, when you asked

for, one of the visitors to
show up, my first inclination

was they had to do the
energy merge to lift your

vibration high enough so
that you could see them and

that they actually exist
in a, at a vibration level

that we gen we just can't
see normally then that's

why they had to do that.

So that you could
actually see that.

But the effect would only last
for a certain period of time.

That was the first
thing I thought of.

Sinead Whelehan:
Yeah that, yeah.

That would make sense to
me that they were helping

me level up vibrationally
or something so that I

can have more contact.

I really hope so.

I hope I have more and more.

I hope I have it for
the rest of my life.

I really do.

Rod Bland: You're
almost due, aren't you?

Cuz it's like middle
of June, 2023.

You were saying it's
every two years, so

should be pretty soon.

Sinead Whelehan: We'll
see what happens.

If something happens,
I will let you know.

Rod Bland: Yeah.

Yeah, I'd love to hear it.

All right.

People are probably gonna
have questions maybe you'll

come back for a live stream.

I often have guests
come back for that.

But if anyone wants to
ask you questions, is that

something that you're open to?

And what's the best way
for them to do that?

Sinead Whelehan: Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So they can email me.

That's really the
best way to do it.

It's my first name,
Sade, s i n e a d, and

then my middle initial
a and my last initial W.

So sineadaw@gmail.com.

Rod Bland: All right, cool.

And do you have any
final messages for

people who are watching
this interview Sinéad?

Sinead Whelehan: Oh.

What's coming to the top
of my head is be curious.

Be curious, keep learning,
keep being curious, keep

exploring, because it's
really important in so many

different ways to do that,
not just for the paranormal

or for extraterrestrials
or for cosmic topics.

But just for ordinary human
life, I think it's really

important in terms of
connecting with each other

in a really meaningful,
heart-based, compassionate,

non-judgmental way to to be
genuinely curious about each

other rather than judging,
or rather than seeing each

other as being separate, to be
curious and to ask about other

people's experiences of life.

So yeah, I think I
would leave it at that.

It may seem like a small,
obvious thing, but to me

curiosity is incredibly
important and a willingness

to be adventurous within
that curiosity as well.

Rod Bland: Sinéad, thank
you for that message,

and thank you also for
being my guest today.

Sinead Whelehan: Thank you
so much for having me, Rod.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much.